Now on ScienceBlogs: Iconic? "Science" says your brain doesn't buy it. . . at least according to Campbell's

Collective Imagination

A short description of this blog.

About This Blog

The Collective Imagination is designed to explore some of the most compelling issues facing the world today and the ways that science and technology can help us address them. A changing cast of ScienceBlogs bloggers and GE scientists will work collaboratively to explore security and personal surveillance technology, the AIDS crisis, and the infrastructure and transmission of energy, among other topics. The blog is sponsored by GE, with all editorial content overseen by ScienceBlogs editors.

Profile

laden.jpgGreg Laden is a blogger, writer and independent scholar who occassionally teaches. He has a PhD from Harvard in Archaeology and Biological Anthropology, as well as a Masters Degree in the same subjects. He is a biological anthropologist, but for many years before going to graduate school to study human evolution, he did archaeology in North America. He thinks of himself as a biologist who focuses on humans (past and present) and who uses archaeology as one of the tools of the trade. Greg blogs regularly on ScienceBlogs at http://www.scienceblogs.com/gregladen/.

Profile

joesalvo.jpgDr. Joseph J. Salvo attended Phillips Andover Academy, received his A.B. degree from Harvard University and his Master and Ph.D. degrees in Molecular Biophysics and Biochemistry from Yale University. Dr. Salvo joined the GE Global Research Center in 1988. His early work focused on the development of genetically modified bacteria and fungus, for the production of novel high performance polymers. In the mid 1990's he turned his group's efforts towards developing large-scale internet-based sensing arrays to manage and oversee business systems. Most recently, he and his team have developed a number of complex decision engines that deliver customer value through system transparency and knowledge-based computational algorithms. Commercial business implementations of his work are currently active in Europe, and Asia as well as North and South America.

PeterTu1.jpg Dr. Peter Tu received his undergraduate degree in Systems Design Engineering from the University of Waterloo, Canada, and his doctorate from Oxford University England. In 1997, he joined the Visualization and Computer Vision Group at the GE Global Research Center in Niskayuna, NY. He has developed algorithms for the FBI Automatic Fingerprint Identification System. He is the principle investigator for the ReFace program, which has the goal of automatically computing the appearance of a person’s face from skeletal remains. Dr. Tu has also developed a number of algorithms for the precise measurement of specular and high curvature objects. His current focus is the development of intelligent video algorithms for surveillance applications.

Please visit From Edison's Desk, which is Peter's home blog at GE Global Research.

Recent Comments

Search

Recent Posts

Archives

« Your daily healthy imagination question: Do you use the Internet to find information or advice on your health? | Main | Your daily healthy imagination question: Have you ever lied to your doctor? Why? »

I want a chip implanted in my head at the next possible opportunity

Category: Artificial IntelligenceHealth
Posted on: March 1, 2010 3:56 PM, by Greg Laden

And I will feed it and care for it and love it. And it will be my own personal solution to the Health Care Insurance Crisis. Assuming we get all the other software and hardware in order.

The other day I fell and bumped my knee, and I did it in the Northeastern Suburbs of the Twin Cities. Well, I did more than bump it. I busted the patella into a zillion pieces and severed the main tendon connecting my upper leg to my lower leg. That totally put the kibosh on my plans for that 2010 Winter Olympics figure skating gold medal.

Anyway, the ambulance had to take me away from the crash site, and brought me to a hospital in the region (St. Johns). It is a fine hospital and I was glad to be brought there, but it was one I had never heard of, as I live almost an hour to the west, in the Northwestern Suburbs of the Twin cities.

The emergency room doc was kind enough to make an appointment for emergency surgery for me, and he asked me who I usually have do my emergency orthopedic surgery. I said, "I don't have a clue, can you suggest someone who is really good?" So he hooked me up with a surgeon, a Dr. Myer, who in fact is quite good, and had I had the opportunity to have done the research I would have picked him, mainly because of the Carmen Fasulo Effect. Which I shall explain later if someone reminds me to do so.

Dr. Myer runs a practice typical of the twin cities, where he migrates between a handful of hospitals and a handful of clinics, all in the same region. His region is the Eastern Suburbs of the Twin Cities, but he also goes to St. Johns in the Northeastern Suburbs.

Now, when it came time to go home after the surgery, Amanda and I realized that it would be really hard to go home for a number of pragmatic reasons, so were are staying temporarily with my in laws. They are in the Western Suburbs of the Twin Cities.

So, today, my mother in law drove me from the Western Suburbs to the Eastern Suburbs where I got checked out by Dr. Myers. Dr. Myers wanted me to get a new brace for my leg, and the place he uses for this is in the Far Eastern Suburbs (right on the Wisconsin Border). So I asked about places maybe closer to the Western Suburbs, and the staff at Myer's clinic went ahead and found a location closer to where I am staying... and that orthopedic bracery (or whatever one calls such a thing) is in the Southern Suburbs of the Twin Cities, down near the airport.

OK, so, in your mind you have a circle, starting in the upper left where I live, moving to the upper right where my injury occurred, moving to the far right where my Doctor's office is located, moving to the south where the Bracery is, and then to the far left where I am currently staying, in a big clockwise clocky thing. Putting it another way, my injury and its treatment over the last two weeks has encircled the entire twin cities. We've got 'em surrounded!

And although not a lot of people live here in the Twin Cities, it is pretty darn big. This circle, if superimposed on the Dallas region, would be like a big lasso encompassing much of Dallas and all of Ft. Worth. For New Yorkers, it's like I'm staying in the Palisades, but I really live upstate in Yonkers, my Doctor is in Hicksville on The Island, and I need to take the ferry down to Staten Island to get the brace. For Los Angelinos, think of me as beached out in Santa Monica, ekeing it out Burbank, but my Doc is in The Valley, and I have to buzz down to Lynwood to get the brace. Or, for those of you in Britain, I'm on holiday in Windsor Castle (hey, why not?), but I reside in Watford, my Physician is in Stratford, and I need to go to a chemist in Tooting go get the bloody brace.

Now, let me add a fine point to this: In each of these twin cities areas, the local people ... in the hosptical, medical offices, home-visit nurses and therapists, the brace guy, etc. ... as helpful and wonderful as they all have been, were clueless as to the facilities available outside of their quadrant of the Twin Cities. Just today, the staff at the surgeon's place in the Eastern Suburbs all looked at each other funny and kind of grinned while slowly shaking their head back and forth when I asked "Anybody know of a place to get a brace over by Plymouth or Golden Valley?" One of the staff, a woman in her 40s, said she'd never been out that way before. Meanwhile, heading out in the car with my mother in law to the eastern region, she quipped, looking around, "Hey, it looks like they are starting to settle this part of the prairie," or words to that effect.

Everything is working out OK for me because of the particular nature of the coverage under which all this is being paid. But for people with certain health care plans, this could be quite difficult. As it turns out, I have had to provide the vitals (not BP, pulse, temp, but insurance provider name and number, date of injury, etc.) to a dozen different entities, and had this all been handled in the same "service area" that number would be reduced to three or four, most likely.

Which is what the chip would be for. Stop asking me questions. Just scan the nape of my neck (where I assume the chip is actually planted) and integrate the data with a good GPS system and provide a route map for the ambulance, me, the physical therapists that now must trudge across town to find me every few days, and above all, to the pharmacy system so I can always, always have my pain meds.

An obvious question that arises is this: Am I the first person ever to have suffered an injury requiring emergency attention in a place other than their own HMO's service area? I assume not, though of course, statistically, most people do get injured near where they live. However, I object to the idea that my situation is THAT rare, and I can even cite a parallel situation that underscores this sort of difficulty but on a day to day basis.

This is the situation of public access TV. I live in one town. My wife teaches at a school in a different town. My daughter goes to a school in a third town. I've done a number of public access TV shows in a fourth town. So, when we sit at home and watch Public Access TV, we don't get to see what is happening at my wife's school, or my daughter's school, or the stuff I've done. We only get to see the stuff for the immediate community in which we sleep at night, but not the broader community in which we live.

A chip in the head would not solve this problem, obviously. But I point out the Public Access problem to underscore what may be a disconnect between the actual geography with which we live, and the presumed geography for which many of our systems are tuned. The chip, which is obviously not something I want planted in my head but for the present purposes serves as a mere literary device, represents the broader approach of using technologies to solve this geo-experiential dissonance.

I'll leave you with one more example of geo-experiential dissonance.

When we went out to the doctor's office today, my mother in law programmed the GPS machine to guide us there. There were a total of about 35 instructions. The first 22 or so amounted to "Take this road you know really well east" but came out as "turn right, go 200 yards, turn left, go on quarter mile, take this ramp, this road, stay left, stay right, this exit, that exit" etc. etc. In other words, the GPS machine was unaware of the fact that we already know exactly how to get from where we are to several points around us, major intersections of key highways, etc. Beyond that, the next dozen or so instructions were about how to not accidentally take an exit that we obviously didn't want while driving on one single highway across the region. The only instructions we needed were what exit to take at the end of the trip, and then, which two turns to take to get to the medical arts building.

That is also a geo-experiential dissonance, but rather than one of locality, it is one of distribution and detail of knowledge. This problem as well can easily be solved with the right technologies, and maybe in this case the chip would actually help! (But not as much as a volume control on the GPS machine so we can selectively hear it or ignore it...)

Share this: Stumbleupon Reddit Email + More

TrackBacks

TrackBack URL for this entry: http://scienceblogs.com/mt/pings/132775

Comments

With all that going on, Greg, how do you stay sane?
It must be the pain meds keeping you from screaming at all of it.

  • Currently 0/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
0/5 (0 votes cast)

I've been telling my friends for years that when a chip is available for humans like the one that you can have put in your dog or cat I want to sign up. If I'm ever in an accident or have an illness where I show up at the hospital unable to tell them my drug allergies, regular meds, etc. I'd like them to be able to scan my chip, then go to an internet based system and pull all that info up.

For those of us who are single this is even more important.

One thing I have done is put ICE ("in case of emergency") numbers inmy cell phone, and a card in my wallet with next of kin phone numbers, meds i take, my primary dr's name and phone, and drug allergies.

  • Currently 0/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
0/5 (0 votes cast)

I'm thinking the chip would make it easier for doctors to know who you are and have a running log of the type of information that they need to know about you. Sounds like a good idea. My question is, without your transportation, how would you have gotten to these facilities for treatment? Imagine if you had no money and the free clinic was by the eleven while you live by the three, using the clock analogy. What would you do then?

Mike-http://www.onedollarglobeinsurance.com

  • Currently 4/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
4/5 (1 votes cast)

Mike, in theory, there is a medical transport system that is paid for by insurance. I actually know a guy who runs one that is specifically designed for Muslim patients (who apparently have special transport related needs). I did inquire because I was not sure if I was going to be able to get a ride for today, and was told it could be arranged. But it would be very complex, and for instance, today, we found out we needed to go to the medical device place (was not expecting that) and managed to add that to the itinerary. That would have been difficult.

  • Currently 0/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
0/5 (0 votes cast)

- First, speedy recovery, Greg!
- Then, on the chip: A few years ago the monthly official paper for the cub scouts had an article on chip implants for animals, and how great it would be to have it for humans, too. I have many concerns about privacy for anything like that, and creeping extensions (first, you'll get to go to the shorter security check line when flying when you have a chip implanted,... after a few years you cannot fly without it). But apparently the writers for the cub scout rag thought it good to teach the kids that such an implant would be something they should like to get!
- Standardized electronic record have been a staple of insurance reform proposals since (at least) 1993, and apparently are still not implemented, and recently were again touted by the insurance industry (as an alternate to any meaningful reform).
- When I was a graduate student I broke my leg one winter (first emergency room treatment, enormously cheap and efficient, on a Sunday after Christmas, in Canada!); the Group Health Insurance then required me to get every week at first, on my own, with a cast from to to hip, from the U. of Maryland Campus in College Park to their hospital in Washington, D.C., rather than their near-by clinic. I was so lucky I could get friends to drive me; a bus ride would probably have re-broken and rearranged the bones every time. My broken leg is still ~1 cm shorter than the other one.

  • Currently 0/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
0/5 (0 votes cast)

Carmen Fasulo Effect?

I just really wanted my oncologist's office to receive information from the hospital at which my surgery was done and at the emergency room of which I was later treated for bleeding. That would have kept his scheduler from refusing to make the follow-up appointment the emergency room docs said I should have ("Oh, his follow-up visits are at six weeks. Here's a date and time for you."). It also would have meant that the nurse practitioner would have had the surgery notes available at said follow-up so I didn't have to wait the three weeks it took her to get in touch with the doctor over the holidays and various patient emergencies to find out whether I was going to need additional, very painful treatment.

  • Currently 0/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
0/5 (0 votes cast)

Sadly we are going to need tort reform before such a system could really be implemented. I was shadowing a physician at a local emergency room when a man came in with complications from a large brain tumor. I thought it quite fortunate that he had brought with him a CD including his MRI studies done less than 24 hours earlier. To my surprise we had to do an emergent MRI for a five figure cost all over again purely because making a diagnosis and treating the patient based on his former MRI would have left us in a nebulous zone in terms of malpractice. What if our treatment was wrong but because it was based upon a bad set of films or bad reading of them? Who would be responsible? Who's malpractice insurance would pay out? Those are current problems. What if your chip said you were not allergic to penicillins and you were given penicillins, or what if it had the wrong blood type? This kind of technology is here already though I believe as a society we are decades away from having an agreement about responsibility and consequences in instances of poor medical outcomes.

  • Currently 0/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
0/5 (0 votes cast)

Am I reading this right? This isn't a toy, like a new phone or a new iPod. This is a serious invasion of privacy waiting to happen. The solution is a better healthcare system, including insurance-covered transport. Sure, having your meds delivered to your door or perhaps a doctor-visiting-home service of the future would sound nice too but that requires serious work. Sticking a chip in yourself is the least plausible or sane solution.

  • Currently 1/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
1/5 (1 votes cast)

Dr. McNinja, you may have missed this (and possibly other) statements from the blog post in question:

"...The chip, which is obviously not something I want planted in my head but for the present purposes serves as a mere literary device, represents the broader approach of using technologies to solve this geo-experiential dissonance..."

  • Currently 5/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
5/5 (1 votes cast)

chip would make it easier for doctors to know who you are and have a running log of the type of information.

  • Currently 5/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
5/5 (1 votes cast)

GREG: how about doing a POLL on your website asking people if they'd like to have a small implanted chip that would either hold critical medical info, or provide a code so that medical providers could pull up the person's medical info (using that code)on the internet?

For me, the potential privacy tradeoff is WELL WORTH knowing that if I am ever in an ER the staff there can find out quickly my drug allergies and medical conditions.

  • Currently 0/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
0/5 (0 votes cast)

Though they never managed to actually get the overall system fully working for us, having access to all the public access channels in the greater San Francisco bay area was the one thing I absolutely loved about ATT's video over IP system. It would ROCK if the company providing the cable access (here, comcast) would put all the local stations streaming, even if only as a perk for people who subscribe to their internet service.

  • Currently 0/5
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
0/5 (0 votes cast)

Post a Comment

(Email is required for authentication purposes only. On some blogs, comments are moderated for spam, so your comment may not appear immediately.)





ScienceBlogs

Search ScienceBlogs:

Go to:

Advertisement
Collective Imagination
Enter to win the daily giveaway
Advertisement
Collective Imagination

© 2006-2009 ScienceBlogs LLC. ScienceBlogs is a registered trademark of ScienceBlogs LLC. All rights reserved.